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This implies that women did not take their husbands' names at that time. They apparently had no living children. I only could enter the surname Ogier and then had to look through all of the Ogiers on the site. Bibliotheque Municipale. I found no Censuses Dorm changing Marie or Ginz Albietz. Who was the Ogier woman who married a Bersin manwas the mother of Julius Bersin luxxeuil, and who died when Julius was 18 months old?
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Still unknown. Each of which had a record book at the time of interest! Picturesque town situated at the confluence of the Doubs and Dessoubre rivers. Location of Luxeuil-les-Bains. The family only knew about his marriage to Katherine Malthaner with whom he had children.
It is located some thirty kilometres from Vesoul.
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Surrounded by his family, he died at Ft. Peter gau Paul Church on Saturday, November 29 at 10am. Reception to follow. In lieu of flowers please send donations to Peter and Paul Community Services at ppcsinc.
Edward M. Early on, their name was also spelled Ougier and Augier. They had some children in Saint- Valbert. Then they had more children in the adjoining parish Luxeuil-les-Bains. Father Joseph died young inat the age of Starting in the early s, widow and mother Marie Anne Marianne Elizabeth Demange, five sons and two daughters, some individually and some with families, emigrated from France to the United States.
Julius and Augustine Ogier, as they were called in the US, and their family Alabama uniform policy the last to immigrate - in the early s.
They and their son Edward are our direct line immigrant ancestors. Franxe page has the story of the Ogier Research. The Descendents pages have their individual and family stories. This was family history research before the internet.
When the research began, Edward Ogier and his sisters were the earliest Ogiers known. At that time the US Census was the earliest one indexed. Index cards had been made for each family entry, organized by Soundex, and microfilmed in order.
Soundex was an indexing system that coded names by their first letter and three numbers to represent the consonant sounds. Ogier was O The index card for this Census showed a family that included the previously unknown parents living in Warsaw.
The father indexed as "Jiele" Ogier later Julethe mother Augustineand the two oldest children Edward and Mary were born in France, and frace youngest Anna was born in Illinois!.
So I did this, and looked at my first Ogier census. Then I carefully marked the location on the film with a scrap of paper, rewound the film and took it Bains france gay les luxeuil one of the two persons operating the printers.
Now I was brave enough to order the unidexed Census for Warsaw. Rolling and scanning showed no Jule and Augustine Ogier family. There was a Joseph Ogier, his wife and family and another adult Charles Ogier in a household in Warsaw, Illinois, in Who were these Ogiers?
I had no idea. Making notes about these other Ogiers was the break through lead to finding our Ogier line in France.
Paper letters were the other major research method. I found Bxins death and burial and Baina of Augustine Ogier, wife of Jule Ogier. A tombstone showed that she was buried in the same plot as a Louis Ogier who was the right age to be her and Jule Ogier's son.
Louis had died on Christmas Day in What a Christmas for these Ogiers. A letter brought information about the marriages of Edward Ogier and his sisters Mary and Anna in Keokuk, Iowa, just across the Mississipi from Warsaw. One marriage was a complete surprise: Edward had a brief marriage to Dora Parrott. They apparently had no living children. The family only knew about his marriage to Katherine Malthaner with whom he had children.
Their marriage was discovered as well. Great source, these censuses, but sometimes recording mistakes are made. Another interesting find was the adult naturalization of Edward Ogier. Two more written requests brought the the death certificates for Edward Ogier and Katherine Ogier. A reply to another letter brought the Death Certificate for Julius Ogier.
This certificate had his date of death and age at death in years, months, and days. This age became another important clue. Joseph Ogierthe one living in Franve inhad made a Declaration of Intention to become a citizen.
He stated that he had been born in "Haute Sone", France. I found a few Ogiers and a few Francoises in Lure, but not the ones for whom I was looking. Looking at the records one at a time appeared to be a very time consuming, probably impossible, project. This realization lead to a letter. This advice lead to planning a trip to the Archives in Vesoul.
Each of which had a record book at the time of interest! The procedure was to Bains france gay les luxeuil at a 10 year index, which was not available through the LDS Library. I thought "been there, done that", smiled and took the index for Bains france gay les luxeuil. Our Ogiers were not in Lure, as we already expected. By this time, the three lady archivists were gathered together. Sauvier, Fougarolles, and Quer circa So we looked through indexes for these villages. Our Ogiers were not there.
Since St. Just about closing. This time we got to look in the actual record book, written from The birth record was a full paragraph in old handwritten French with about half the text about the persons making the record and a description of the place. The second half had the information we had been searching for. While Ken was taking a photo copying the important information Baisn hand, I looked in the index for Edward in the same village of Luxeuil-les-Bains but did not find him.
All of the children listed Marie Anne Demange as the mother - except one. The birth of Sophie Ogier luceuil, listed the mother's name as Elizabeth Demange. The father's name was always signed Joseph Ogier. The birth date of this Sophie was in the right spacing for her to be a member of this same family.
The ages of the father and mother had the about the same spacing, a year to a year and a half between them. The parents ages implied the same birth years. Joseph's Masturbating for truckers to watch looked the same in all of the records. Louis died in Warsaw, Illinois, when these parents were the only Ogier parents living there, and he was a cooper like Jule Ogier.
She told how "her" Ogiers had visited "our" Ogiers in St. Louis in for the Worlds Fair. See above. Susan explained that five Ogier brothers, two Ogier sisters, and their mother named Mary had emigrated.
One sister had married a Bersin and Private jet airplanes other married a man named Jean Francois Chauvelot. Julius Bersin went to live with his "Aunt Chauvelot" at the age of 18 months when his mother died. The adult children had immigrated with their mother Mary. A married sister and a younger sister had stayed behind in France.
The most intriguing was the story that the father had been killed, perhaps in his own house. She even had a spelling of "Glode", which was the way an American English gah might hear a French person pronounce "Claude". And just one more step for a census-taker to write down "George" for "Glode". This Ogier male would have been born about Pat, Susan, and I traded information, ideas, and comments. The Luxeuil-les-Bains records did show an early death for the French father Joseph Ogier who was supposed to have been killed.
The writing on the record is very difficult to read, but there was no word relating to "kill" or murder". The death record did list his wife's name as Marie Anne Demange, his birth place as St. Their birth dates did not quite match the dates we had in US records. Alas, unfortunately, there were no births in Luxeuik for a Claude Ogier framce about that luceuil infancy or any male named simply Victor Ogier. Anne-Claude Ogier was born in St. Mariane Demanges' signature on marriage record, her name listed in the text as Marie Anne Demange.
Claude Ogier's signature on marriage record, brother of the bride. Wanting to get a copy of that US Census record for the "Jiele" Ogier and family in my computer, made me do a search on Ancestry. I found that Census and when I looked at it on my computer screen with the name Jule in my mind, I saw something different from "Jiele". The "ie" really looked like a "u" with a luxruil in the second riser. The Census is the most recently released.
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The family only knew about his marriage to Katherine Malthaner with whom he had children. In lieu of flowers please send donations to Peter and Paul Community Services at ppcsinc. The procedure was to look at a 10 year index, which was not available through the LDS Library. Logic and Probability suggested that there was one woman who sometimes used different names. Both her birth record and her marriage record show that she was born 16 May to Joseph Ogier and Marie Anne Demange. Charles V. I have not found the marriage in Luxeuil-les-Bains. Residence Le Metropole Luxeuil-les-Bains. It is located some thirty kilometres from Vesoul. There was another Jean born in , but that child died in Or were these two separate wives, and the man had three wives? By this time, the three lady archivists were gathered together.
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